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[25 Oct 2005|10:52pm]

momentsintime
Hi, I am new to this community. My situation is.....I filed as a refugee claimant based on domestic violence and was rejected. I have very few options open, but one is too pay my lawyer 150 for a chance of appeal to but some time. I have a job. The hard part of my case is that we were fast tracked. I am in Toronot with my 13 year old son.

Does anyone have ideas on what I should do for my next step?
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Bush Bashing Fizzles... [02 Aug 2005|01:38am]

thefortunateson
Wow, according to this story, we must have gotten tired of squawking about what a big dumb fuckhead our president is.

The American people have shouted themselves hoarse against this folksy dimwit/idealogue long enough to get discouraged. Hey, here's another insult to the American people that goes by the name of Bolton (not the singer).

For fuck's sake man, how much longer?
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European Canada [23 Nov 2004|11:55pm]

ashley_y

I think Canada should join the European Union. As a British citizen, it would make it easier for me to defect. Also Quebec could do an "independence in Europe" thing and it wouldn't be such a big deal.

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[05 Nov 2004|08:40pm]

4abudabit
Why just focus on Canada? Canada is going to run full on its quotas on Americans. The Netherlands, Ireland, etc. are also good candidates.

Look here, for example.
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[03 Nov 2004|12:53pm]

jodymeme
The idea behind Marry An American is simple: You have the power to rescue a progressive American from four more years of George W. Bush, should he be re-elected.

Americans, sick of the political climate of their homeland, have long sought refuge within Canadian borders. And let's face it, when compared to the United States, Canada is a liberal utopia & we have universal healthcare (in two languages!), gay marriage, free marijuana for everyone, and we don't like guns.

Already, our American counterparts are fleeing the U.S. in droves and buying up land along our borders. We envision a movement where everyone wins: Freedom of expression and a politically convenient marriage with love and igloos for all.

Canadian singles, tired of the dating scene, are willing to act for love or just plain pity. Let's drop our borders/inhibitions/commitment issues, set a date, pick out our china patterns and wed a sexy American liberal.
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[04 Oct 2004|03:18pm]
vernonhardapple
[ mood | amused ]

My favourite Buddy Coles monologue (from Kids in the Hall):

Buddy: I'm CanadianCollapse )

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[03 Oct 2004|02:43am]
vernonhardapple
[ mood | sleepy ]

I've been a member of this community for some time now, and I really introduced myself or anything like that.

I'm Adam (or Riley depending on who the person met me through). I'm 21 and I live in Riga, NY (about an hour from the US/Canada Border). All my life I had always loved going to Canada...even if it was just to Niagara Falls (which I now refuse to consider being part of Canada. It's more like a crappy tourist trap extention of America.)

Every year my father and I would take a trip to Toronto to go to a motorcycle convention on New Years Day. When I was 14, my father and I took a trip to Michigan to go to motorcycle races, and on the way back we went through Sault Ste. Marie Ontario, and down around Lake Huron (via Manitoulin Island). When I was in college I took two week-end trips to Montreal and ended up getting lost just roaming throughout the city.

Now that I'm old enough, I take trips up to Toronto and Hamilton, Ontario (about once every month or so) to visit friends, and go shopping. Whenever I'm up there I notice so many differences. The evening news doesn't talk about shooting, violence, etc. Instead, it talks about news. There isn't a commercial every 20 seconds for attorneys (If you live in Canada and get FOX Rochester like so many people I know do you will know what I'm talking about). I take a big interest in urban planning (because I'm such a big dork), and I realize that Canada actually undertands the concept of growth control, smart growth, and metro governments. They know what Portland, Oregon was talking about. I have never been to a place in America where they actually have community centres that people go to, people walking places, using public transportation, etc. I once read somewhere that in some cities up to 25% of the adult population of urban areas (excluding the GTA) don't even drive. Where I live, I would have to ride my bike 15 kilometers to get to the nearest bus stop. People actually live within city limits and aren't scared to death of it like they are here (Quoting my friend: "I'm not going to send my kids to the city schools. I don't want them to get shot!").

There are so many things I dislike about politics here in the US, but I'm not really going to get into them. I don't feel that is my primary reason for wanting to move to Canada, and even if it was, I wouldn't pick Canada strictly because it was the closest country.

I've poked around the immigration Canada website, and realized I will probably never get to move there, unless I get a better education. I have a 2 year degree in liberal arts (horray for a degree in nothing), and if I wanted to get my Bachelors in Urban Planning it would take me another 3 and a half years (and another year for a minor in statistics thanks to credits not transfering). I know that if I take a certificate program in Tool & Dye that I could get offered a job in Québec very easily, even offered permanent residence easily, but I don't really see myself doing that for the rest of my life...much less a few years (until I could get my PR card and switch occupations). Plus, my knowledge of French is horrible (ironically I maintain limiteduquebec, but only because I noticed there wasn't a French language community for this sort of topic) so that is another thing going against me.

I'm wondering if anybody knows of any companies that specifically look for hiring international applicants, or if they know of any trades/skills/etc that are fairly easy for Americans to obtain that could qualify for skilled worker class immigration.

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[03 Oct 2004|02:14am]
vernonhardapple
[ mood | ennuyé ]

Projetez-vous travailler, immigrer, visite, ou apprenant dans le Québec ou le français parlant des communautés dans Nouveau Brunswick ? limiteduquebec est pour vous. Le français et les langues anglaises sont les deux accueil.
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Do you plan to work, immigrate, visit, or learn in Quebec or French speaking communities of New Brunswick? limiteduquebec is for you. French and English languages are both welcome.

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Problems with World Leadership [08 Aug 2004|12:08am]

luigitr
[ mood | sympathetic ]

The problems associated with being an American today are that even if you realize that our country has done wrong you are faced with the many Americans who don't realize that our people have become the Ugly Americans that we have.  We are told many stories about how badly others around the world treat us but when we go abroad we see that it is the middle-American--especially those in the services--who truly act badly.  I got nothing but friendly, efficient, happy, kind, and professional service in the city where we are reportedly get the worse treatment--Paris.  But I believe that the Americans deserve the treatment they get.

When I was in Italy and France the only time I wasn't happy was when I had to sit next to these obnoxious Americans and let the waiters know not to sit me next to them again.  It was good for me to witness this first hand or else I would have believed that non-Americans only resented the fact that we were the most powerful land in the nation. 

People would ask us where we came from and we respond that we were from San Francisco.  Then they would say that it was a beautiful city and that must be the reason we were so nice.  I understood what they meant.  It was refreshing to hear this from such nice people when so many in the USA think of San Francisco as a cesspool.  I even remember one businessman from Arizona during business meeting strongly stating that he would never go to North Beach. 

We do have a city that has a great deal of different groups in it.  More importantly, San Francisco (the Bay Area actually) is a city (area) that often feels estranged from the rest of the nation.  We have often mimicked the New Yorker poster and cover showing nothing between New York and San Francisco to show San Francisco as being a foreign entity from the rest of the nation.

I was brought up in the county south of San Francisco and have always lived within 22 miles of San Francisco.  So, when I worked in the Sacramento for three years it was a true culture shock.  So is the behavior of American tourists--for which reason I avoid the English speaking tour buses and take the French, Italian, or Spanish language buses. 

Yet, I truly love the USA and am grateful that I have been able to live so well.  I am the first person to put up an American flag--although I did take it down and replace with a group of Canadian, Asian, Latin American, European and African flags after the evening of March 15 when a person I respected was baited and beaten unfairly for being French.  I was all ready upset that we were unable to have an intelligent president who had not won the election--not having won Florida--and was more destructive to our nation than the Al Queda. 

It is the frustration of trying to have a better nation when we are faced with so many people who do not have a clue of how badly we behave around the world or that the Republicans are truly amoral because of their selfish abuse of others that is making me want to leave for Canada, Italy or France.  My father was an Italian citizen when he married my mother a year before my birth and he was still a citizen of Italy until I was 19 so that I can have a dual citizenship of Italy and the USA respected by the European Union.  So I am still deciding where to live should the Americans be stupid enough to elect for the first time the president who has done more to ruin our nation than any other person in history.

I like your motto about the American Revolution.  Since it wasn't the Americans but the French who won the revolution for us I wish that France would retake the United States of America.

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FOR A BETTER LIFE [06 Aug 2004|11:57am]

luigitr
[ mood | determined ]

In case that moron Bush wins in November I'll either defect to Canada, France, or Italy.  I speak fluent French, Italian, Spanish and English

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Hi, Americans [26 Jul 2004|11:58am]
adamgreenwood
I have to say that I admire the fact that you recognize what is wrong with America instead of turning a blind eye to what is going wrong.

However, I don't think you should, although we would certainly like you here, and I understand your frustration.

Whether you choose to accept it or not, you have to realize that the US is by far the most powerful and influential nation in the world. As such, it is going to have a huge beneficial or detrimental impact.

As a Canadian, it frustrates me that I can have very little impact on the outcome of the US electoral process, which ultimately effects the world. I can't vote, I can't go to rallies, donate money etc. All I can do is rant on internet forums.

But as Americans, you have much more power than I do. Suffer through it. There are few that think less of you simply because you are American, and the world knows that the Americans with the courage to travel to Canada and Europe are not the xenophobic, ignorant, egocentric Americans that are the cause of America's downslide.

Resentment is growing, America's dirty secrets are being revealed slowly but surely thanks to the Internet and de-classified documents. For the most part, Americans are no different than citizens of any other country - and they have an inherent sense of justice. They just need to see what is going on behind the scenes. You can make this happen. Good Luck.

Feel free to add me to your friends list, I have anti-US rants all the time which I usually start with a disclaimer about how this does not pertain to all Americans.
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[06 Jul 2004|02:06am]

inanna18
[ mood | bitchy ]

https://www.immigrationexpert.com/register.asp?fid=100036

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other resources for potential defectors [26 May 2004|11:48am]

jodymeme
My intention behind creating this community was to provide space for a topic that wasn't covered elsewhere on LiveJournal. Well, folks, apparently canadabound beat me to the punch. 251 members, active and lively, with some valuable immigration information available on the user info page. They also avoid the kind of blatant politicizing I resorted to when I did the write-up for defectors. canadabound is more focused on practical advice. limiteduquebec is a new community for people who are interested in moving to Quebec. And canadian_yank explores cultural differences between Canada and the US, from the perspective of American ex-pats. I urge all potential defectors to check these communities out.

I've updated the defectors user info page with links to a few helpful sites.


Meanwhile, for fun, participate in the Federal Election Public Opinion Poll here.
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[21 May 2004|10:24am]

saucy_coconut
hiya, I was pointed in the direction of this community by someone else.

My boyfriend and I are trying to move to Canada. Vancouver, to be exact. I visited it last year and fell in love with the city. We want to escape George Bush and the rest of the bullshit.

Does anyone have any advice? Any helpful information that I should know about? Anything would be appreciated, thanks.
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What if we all just left? (reposted from my LJ before I knew about this place) [30 Apr 2004|10:48pm]

radixx
I mean really left. I read this article today and was again horrified at the behavior that Americans exhibit. I know that many Americans are just as disgusted as I am, but I’m betting that at least three times as many are disappointed that they can’t join in. Every day, more and more I see examples of people that I just don’t care to be associated with. When I read that article at first of course my reaction was horror, but my subsequent reaction was that of embarrassment. Just as I was when I read about American soldiers raping a young Japanese girl in Okinawa a few years ago. More and more the image of Americans abroad is becoming tarnished by our military actions and there’s not a damned thing I can do about it. Our volunteer army seems to be mostly made up of misfits and morons that couldn’t hack the stress of flipping burgers for a living. I vote, I vote my conscience and I find myself choosing between either the lesser of two evils, or a candidate that doesn’t stand a chance of being elected. The tyranny of the masses is becoming more and more evident and less and less something I can abide by and it’s not just our military.

Look at our media and entertainment industries. Yes, wonderful films, music and books are still being created, but look at the mainstream, look at what sells, look at what influences! Flip through the channels on your TV for a few minutes, look at the people, the real and the created. Do you want to be like them? Do you respect them? More importantly, would you as an American, feel comfortable with someone from another country thinking that you might be even remotely like them? Of course there are exceptions, but the vast majority of our popular drama, talk shows and news programs (and that’s a whole other rant) are populated by buffoons and morons and they are glorified for being such. The adage of “if it bleeds it leads” is true in the news media more than ever. Even 19 years ago when I was living in The Netherlands for the summer I was embarrassed to be American at times and very happy that I was often mistaken for being British (partially because unlike most American tourists I could speak properly). Our entire popular culture is obsessed with violence, crime and the horrors that we do to each other. There are people that feel the same way that I do, but we are in a clear minority. I sense a growing divide in our culture, one that will inevitably come to some sort of a head in the not too distant future. The problem with that is that we will lose. We are outnumbered, we have no power to change things and we will be either social outcasts or worse. Dystopian fiction has dealt with this subject for decades and I’m not treading any new ground here, I know. However writing about it, to the select audience that is interested in it will accomplish nothing.

For the first time, I’m thinking about giving up my American citizenship. When I was younger I was so proud to be American, I am no longer. I’m angry about it, I’m embarrassed and I’m sad that this country is going further and further in the direction it is. The most logical destination for me is Canada of course. I have family there, I have friends there and I truly enjoy being there. Canadians seem to be far less obsessed with the same sorts of things that are consuming the American popular idiom. The standard of living is identical, the government (although I’m not as familiar with it as I should and might need to be) is far less interventionalist and open minded. Racism and homophobia are not quite so prevalent, and crime is a tiny percentage of what we Americans have become accustomed to. The land is more unspoiled and there is plenty of it. The government supports the arts and sciences to a far greater degree and these things are more greatly valued by the people. Certainly I’m going to have to give this a lot more thought, but I’m thinking more and more that this is a very good idea. Another old adage is if you can’t beat them, join them. I simply can’t do that. I can’t beat them, so I think I might have to leave.


and yeah, this is a rare public post for me for a couple of reasons. First, if anyone surfs it randomly I’d be amused to hear the dissent. Secondly, I know some people do still read my LJ even though they took me off their lists ages ago and I think this is important and I’m just vain enough to believe that.
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that's it. [30 Apr 2004|06:17pm]

twistedcat
i'm done.

i am completely ashamed to be an american.

i'm thinking vancouver isaland...
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[22 Feb 2004|05:25pm]

jodymeme
US war dissenter seeks asylum in Canada

February 23, 2004

Private Jeremy Hinzman is doing battle with his home nation, reports Jonathan Franklin in London.

US Army private Jeremy Hinzman fought in Afghanistan and considers himself a patriot. But when his unit was ordered to Iraq, he refused to go and embarked on a radical journey that could make legal history.

Private First Class Hinzman left the 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment, taking his wife and son to Canada. Officially, he is AWOL (absent without leave), and, instead of fighting insurgents, he is battling the US military in the Canadian courts.

Earlier this month, Private Hinzman, 25, filed legal papers to become the first US soldier objecting to the Iraq war to be granted refugee status in Canada. His case is expected to be a test of new Canadian immigration laws and the country's traditional role of accepting refugees from the US military.

An estimated 250 Americans every year seek refugee status in Canada, the vast majority making mental health claims, said Jeffrey House, a Toronto criminal defence lawyer who represents Private Hinzman.

"This is the first time a soldier from the Iraq war is seeking protection. He does not want to fight in Iraq and he will do any lawful thing to stay in Canada," Mr House said.

If he returns to the US, Private Hinzman could be prosecuted as a deserter, said Sergeant Pam Smith of the 82nd Airborne. "We don't have time to go and track down people who go AWOL," she said.

Speaking from Toronto, Private Hinzman said: "I signed up to defend my country, not carry out acts of aggression."

He hopes other troops will refuse to serve in Iraq and come to Canada. "I think I am the first, but I encourage others to do the same. I do not want to sound seditious, but there is strength in numbers."

Private Hinzman said he liked army life for the subsidised housing and groceries and the promises of money for college. "It seemed like a good financial decision," he said.

From the start of basic training, Private Hinzman was upset by the continuous chanting about blood and killing, and what he called the dehumanisation of the enemy."

Human rights lawyers and religious counsellors in the US predict that the case is the start of a huge wave of protests and legal moves by military personnel and their families.

Volunteers at the GI Rights Hotline, a legal aid centre for soldiers, are receiving about 3500 calls a month from military personnel looking to leave the armed forces.

With a growing number of dead and wounded, the Pentagon is struggling to maintain troop levels in Iraq. Nearly 40 per cent of those now deployed are national guard or reserve troops.

- Guardian
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[09 Feb 2004|02:38pm]

jodymeme
You live next door to a clean-cut, quiet guy. He never plays loud music or throws raucous parties. He doesn't gossip over the fence, just smiles politely and offers you some tomatoes. His lawn is cared-for, his house is neat as a pin and you get the feeling he doesn't always lock his front door.

He wears Dockers. You hardly know he's there. And then one day you discover that he has pot in his basement, spends his weekends at peace marches and that guy you've seen mowing the yard is his spouse. Allow me to introduce Canada.

The Canadians are so quiet that you may have forgotten they're up there, but they've been busy doing some surprising things. It's like discovering that the mice you are dimly aware of in your attic have been building an espresso machine.

Did you realize, for example, that our reliable little tag-along brother never joined the Coalition of the Willing? Canada wasn't willing, as it turns out, to join the fun in Iraq. I can only assume American diner menus weren't angrily changed to include freedom bacon," because nobody here eats the stuff anyway.

And then there's the wild drug situation: Canadian doctors are authorized to dispense medical marijuana. Parliament is considering legislation that would not exactly legalize marijuana possession, as you may have heard, but would reduce the penalty for possession of under 15 grams to a fine, like a speeding ticket. This is to allow law enforcement to concentrate resources on traffickers; if your garden is full of wasps, it's smarter to go for the nest rather than trying to swat every individual bug. Or, in the United States, bong.

Now, here's the part that I, as an American, can't understand. These poor benighted pinkos are doing everything wrong. They have a drug problem: Marijuana offences have doubled since 1991. And Canada has strict gun control laws, which means that the criminals must all be heavily armed, the law-abiding civilians helpless and the government on the verge of a massive confiscation campaign.

(The laws have been in place since the '70s, but I'm sure the government will get around to the confiscation eventually.)

They don't even have a death penalty! And yet .. nationally, overall crime in Canada has been declining since 1991. Violent crimes fell 13 percent in 2002. Of course, there are still crimes committed with guns brought in from the United States, which has become the major illegal weapons supplier for all of North America -- but my theory is that the surge in pot-smoking has rendered most criminals too relaxed to commit violent crimes. They're probably more focused on shoplifting boxes of Twinkies from convenience stores.

And then there's the most reckless move of all: Just last month, Canada decided to allow and recognize same-sex marriages. Merciful moose, what can they be thinking? Will there be married Mounties (they always get their man!)? Dudley Do-Right was sweet on Nell, not Mel! We must be the only ones who really care about families. Not enough to make sure they all have health insurance, of course, but more than those libertines up north.

This sort of behavior is a clear and present danger to all our stereotypes about Canada. It's supposed to be a cold, wholesome country of polite, beer-drinking hockey players, not founded by freedom-fighters in a bloody revolution but quietly assembled by loyalists and royalists more interested in order and good government than liberty and independence.

But if we are the rugged individualists, why do we spend so much of our time trying to get everyone to march in lockstep? And if Canadians are so reserved and moderate, why are they so progressive about letting people do what they want to?

Canadians are, as a nation, less religious than we are, according to polls. As a result, Canada's government isn't influenced by large, well-organized religious groups and thus has more in common with those of Scandinavia than those of the United States, or, say, Iran. Canada signed the Kyoto global warming treaty, lets 19-year-olds drink, has more of its population living in urban areas and accepts more immigrants per capita than the United States.

These are all things we've been told will wreck our society. But I guess Canadians are different, because theirs seems oddly sound. Like teenagers, we fiercely idolize individual freedom but really demand that everyone be the same. But the Canadians seem more adult -- more secure. They aren't afraid of foreigners. They aren't afraid of homosexuality. Most of all, they're not afraid of each other.

I wonder if America will ever be that cool.

Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (PA) Author: Samantha Bennett Published: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 Copyright: 2003 PG Publishing Contact: letters@post-gazette.
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[23 Jan 2004|10:45pm]

inanna18
[ mood | okay ]

question from theunicursalhex

"I got info once about people who up your anty on the citizenship requirements for a fee. I read info that says that if they accept you or not, it is based on a points system...like you get points for knowing French, bringing money into their country or investing, having a BA or marketable business or skill, etc...is that true?"

can anyone shed some light on this?

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Is George W. Bush Presidential Material? [22 Jan 2004|11:00pm]

matthardwick
[ mood | curious ]

X-posted everywhere, of course. I mean, stuff like this?



For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
January 22, 2004

Remarks by the President to the Press Pool
Nothin' Fancy Cafe
Roswell, New Mexico




11:25 A.M. MST

THE PRESIDENT: I need some ribs.

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